Showing posts with label Human Rights. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Human Rights. Show all posts

Monday, 24 May 2021

Fighting Fake News with REAL 24/5/21; Anti-Semitism Human Rights; Exploitation and Capitalism;

 

 

Boteach is a huge supporter of the odious Trump and is as dedicated to the Israeli colonial enterprise in the Palestinian Occupied Territories as Cecil Rhodes was dedicated to colonizing southern Africa with superior white people. He flings the charge of anti-Semitism around the way former Grand Wizard of the KKK David Duke throws around accusations that white people are disadvantaged. Boteach actually thinks it is wrong for Palestinians in al-Khalil, which he calls Hebron, to protest having their property stolen. Supporting human rights for Palestinians is not anti-Semitic. In fact, opposing anti-Semitism as a form of bigotry is incumbent on anyone who cares about Palestinian human rights.

Source: As Boteach comes for Dua Lipa, has Tactic of Smearing People as anti-Semites for Backing Palestinian Human Rights jumped the Shark?

  Democratic Socialism,

 

 Refugees on Nauru in 2018.

Capitalism with Government Assistance

‘Like stealing’: Refugee firm made big profits from cheap labour

A multinational that used a $121m contract to support asylum seekers in Papua New Guinea to charge the Australian government large margins on workers.

A multinational company that secured a $121 million contract to support asylum seekers in Papua New Guinea boosted its profits by billing the Australian government $75 an hour for local workers it paid just $8.

One former local worker described the practice as “like stealing” from PNG nationals and the Australian taxpayer.

  There's no shame in this government's dishing out rewards for outsourcing and privatizing their dirty work. Not only did they allow asylum seekers to be killed, injured and psychologically destroyed they allowed their agents to rip us off. Our cruelty to animal laws are stricter than those applied to asylum seekers.

World told Australia is failing on emissions

An Australian think tank has told the overseas diplomatic corp in Canberra that Australia is not decarbonising its economy despite meeting “easy” climate targets.

The G7 and the world tell Morrison his schtik on Australian emissions is bullshit. Political opportunists are just that and never do the job they were elected for.

Saturday, 22 May 2021

Fighting Fake News with REAL 22/5/21; Israel/Gaza; Our man of Defence Dutton; Jerusalem Protests continue;

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Israel’s Pyrrhic Victory: It Razed some buildings, but Reinforced Palestinian National Identity

 

Palestinian Rights

Israel Attacks on Gaza Left Strained Health Care System in Tatters

After a ceasefire on Thursday, Palestinians took stock of damage wrought by airstrikes that left doctors dead and at least 19 health care facilities destroyed.

 

Peter Dutton To Take Stress Leave After Seeing Rainbow

Defence Minister Peter Dutton will take extended leave from work to recover from a ‘significant trauma’ after he spotted a 
 
 
 
Israel's Rights
by Norman Solomon | May 21, 2021 - 5:25am | permalink

Israel’s missile attack on media offices in Gaza City last weekend was successful. A gratifying response came quickly from the head of The Associated Press, which had a bureau in the building for 15 years: “The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today.”

For people who care about truth, that’s outrageous. For the Israeli government, that’s terrific.

The AP president, Gary Pruitt, said “we are shocked and horrified that the Israeli military would target and destroy the building housing AP’s bureau and other news organizations in Gaza.”

There’s ample reason to be horrified. But not shocked.

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 Elliot Abrams on AN

Andrew Bolt simply reports the Israeli statements as rote when in fact they are very opposite is true. He never publicly apologizes when wrong even when convicted in our courts. Rarely a sorry is said unless in secret. In settlements dictated by his lawyers not to be made public.

Right-wing media manipulate the facts to downplay Sheikh Jarrah evictions of Palestinian families

 

 
 

 


 



  


 
 




Thursday, 8 November 2018

Andrew Bolt's Blog,8/11/18; Because Bolt tries to show kindness doesn't mean he's a Humanist or not a Racist of the worst kind; Abbott, Latham are cut from the same cloth neither want One Nation;

 

 

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GIVE ASIA BIBI A HOME HE

COLUMN We have a refugee program that’s helped plenty of frauds. Let’s now use it to help a real refugee — a Christian woman who mobs in Pakistan want to murder. So why hasn’t the Morrison Government already offered Asia Bibi asylum?  
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Andrew Bolt is such a compassionate person, isn't he? If Asia Bibi had managed to flee Pakistan with her children and got on a boat Bolt would have had her sent to Nauru never to be resettled in Australia. Christian or not Peter Dutton's and the LNP principles would need to be held firm and set in concrete.

But Bolt has to show he's god glancing around the world looking for someone anyone deserving of his selective token of compassion without even asking those he selects what it is they might want. Whether or not they even want to come to Australia gods own country. The country Bolt actually spends 90% of his time complaining about telling us that people like Asia Bibi aren't wanted here and are a blight.
Bolts fickle finger of kind fate doesn't point to Bibi out of a belief in Human Rights. Bolt's not a Humanist by any means however, he needs to disguise his colonial, ethnocentric and racist attitude with a little trickle down human kindness when in fact he's no better than the religious mobs anywhere else prepared to kill in order to protect their privilege and try to publicly endorse their superiority with pronouncements that show they differ from others. Proof of this is that Bolt doesn't give a rats about the children in detention who are being driven insane, are self-harming and attempting suicide. There is no such thing as universal Human Rights as far as Andrew Bolt's concerned.

Bolt doesn't deny he's anti-Multiculturalism but he's anti- the Separation of Powers too as for him Australia is a Christian country. He claims he's not a racist yet only 25% of Australians identify as Christians and proportionately far more Africans, Pacific Islanders and Aboriginals do than Caucasian Australians. Australia isn't by any means a Christian country it's a secular one. Yet Bolt would in his mind's eye prefer these coloureds weren't here. He spends an awful amount of energy telling that they are more trouble than they the (South Sudanese, Islanders, and Indigenous)  are worth and rarely acknowledging their Christianity. He's White Christian Nationalist to a tee and not just a self-declared Patriot. Bolt hates other countries and spends his energies telling so. Muslim Nations, African Nations the Chinese and the United Nations have been given a dose of Bolt's fervent Nationalism. There is no sense of global equanimity in Bolt, of being part of the wider world no want of globalisation except the corporate kind.
 Asia Bibi has been in jail for 8 years People in Nauru for over 5 and they experienced the fear of death for some time before the risking, even more, of the same to get to Australia only to find Bolt at the gate saying the things Trump does that they dangerous invaders likely terrorist criminals  and carriers of disease fakes that would throw their children overboard to get here. Bolt
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No matter what Bolt says he's an ultra-racist. He says he had an Aboriginal friend at school Alan I believe was his name but Bolt is no friend of Aboriginals whose culture he tells everyone is to blame for their low social status. In the same vein as Asia Bibi, he uses Alan tell himself and us he's no racist he uses them as tokens to try to show the world he cares, that he's a great guy a Snag when in fact he couldn't give a rats about Pakis, Christians or not. If Asia Bibi had managed to get here and Bolt didn't know her publicized story she'd be absorbed into his general stereotype of those he claims don't belong his 'deplorables'. The rural, uneducated, incompatibles that are simply a burden on the taxes he has to pay to support them. Yes, Bolt has never had compassion for any asylum seekers who he readily calls "illegals" whether they come by boat or fly in he really doesn't want them. Picking and singling out one doesn't polish the turd or hide his racism for a moment. Bolt tries to hide with hints of humanity he doesn't even bother to ask Asia Bibi what it is she might like.


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You can't polish a turd. Mark Latham is doing what Mark Latham does and it's for Mark Latham alone. He needs One Nation to increase his chances of getting an easy 4.5% of votes to make it to the NSW Upper House. One Nation needs Mark Latham's presence on the media circuit to boost their message and save them the funds they don't have to promote themselves. The pot of gold for Latham is a secure 8-year salary as a NSW Senator. After winning he can and will give One  Nation the boot. These two are political parasites locked in a short-term symbiotic relationship and both are experienced in feeding off others servicing themselves not others. 
Bolt's two-faced isn't he? He's put in a lot of energy into convincing us that One Nation had stolen the Liberal base after Abbott was voted out of the leadership yet here he is telling us Hanson has actually run away with Labour's base that she is Australia's, Donald Trump appealing to the working class. She hasn't that many supporter numbers to be a party for everyone left and right. Bolt will say anything won't he and it's all BS? Mark Latham is a perfect match for One Nation and One Nation is his vehicle for the pot of gold at the end of his personal rainbow. He and Bolt are mates simply because they understand their venal sides and are both so disliked.
Hard working Australians Bolt's the only person I ever hear attacking workers as lazy and the jobless as bludgers and any unions or association of workers an anathema but not so business. Bolt's the only one that says Australian workers are slackers and prefer the dole to jobs, not the ALP. Sorry, you don't hear Shorten or Albo denigrate Australian workers. Just as you don't hear Bolt telling us just how workers are ripped off by Corporate and business pirates who run phoenix companies are tax evaders fraudsters and are the billion dollar underpayers and superannuation thieves of ordinary Australians as they are his advertisers. You don't here Bolt complaining that workers are worse off today than they were back in the 80s under Labour only off under Howard because even he knows he can't because they aren't better off today. Underemployment has skyrocketed for those he calls bludgers those whose wages have been flat for the past 5 years. Those 750,000 scrambling for 150,000 jobs. Those the laws have been rigged to prevent association in unions
Bolt's "gladness" about Latham isn't empathy it's simply he's cast in the same mould as Latham, Hanson, Abbott, all outliers a self-serving bunch who won't put their hands in their pockets and refuse that the government does it for them. Bolt will now have a greater excuse to have Latham a filler on his show providing Bolt with the space to do nothing but pretend his show speaks Aussie battlers who aren't watching. Latham's history speaks for itself he's never represented anyone but himself even in the Labour Party he was an Abbott. Bolt likes him because he's a "me" person another loner and not a "we" person and it seems neither will ever be.
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Bolt is back in the dark ages believes Indonesia can't hear his banging of the jingoistic drums or read English. They clearly know what Australian conservatives think of them. Abbott a government minister goes worldwide speaking against his own party's policies. Turnbull was invited to be Australia's representative and was expected to report back Indonesia's attitude to the declaration that Australia would "give " the embassy move some thought. However, given the drop in favour of Israel in the US at the moment and particularly among the Jewish community I doubt Morrison would make such a stupid move before now and the next election again. Americans no longer rate Israel as highly as they once did and these midterms voted two Muslim women into Congress that would be something the world should take notice of and applaud.
Bolt's just taken on the Trump's mantle of fearmongering when there's nothing left to do and your so disapproved of. While Tony Abbott is running clandestine campaigns to have himself installed as opposition leader after the next election it's refreshing to see and hear ex-Liberal leaders and even Rudd speaking openly to the truth rather than hiding the truth which has always been Bolt's preferred option. He somehow feels mimicking Trump and abusing your neighbours is a better form of domestic politics but unlike Americans, many of whom know little or nothing about the world outside of their country and can be easily conned by Murdoch media. Australians tend to be more worldly because we travel Asia a lot more than Americans and on top of it have the ABC. Had Turnbull and Rudd not addressed Indonesia's concerns truthfully we'd really look two-faced in the eyes of the region, not just Indonesia. Morrison didn't say he would move before the Wentworth by-election he said he'd consider it for the benefit of the 13% Jewish electorate who aren't so in favour of it anyway. Consider meant he'd take advice and he's been given it and will seem wiser for the counsel. Speaking to the truth was once a very Jewish value since destroyed by the modern right-wing state of Israel.
Israel’s propaganda messaging targeting the left includes greenwashing – falsely marketing Israel as environmentally friendly – and pinkwashing, a strategy that deploys Israel’s supposed enlightenment toward LGBTQ issues to deflect criticism from its human rights abuses.
Regard for Israel remains reasonably high overall – 62 percent view Israel as either an ally or friendly, according to the poll – especially when compared with the results for states that are routinely demonized in US media, including Turkey, Iran, China, Russia and North Korea.
But as Shalev notes, Israel’s standings “pale in comparison” to those of Canada (81 percent “ally” or “friendly”) and the United Kingdom (80 percent), and Israel’s position is lower than Germany (68 percent), Japan (69 percent) and South Korea (68 percent).
This poll confirms long-term trends about the profound change in the profile of support for Israel, which includes a dramatic erosion of support among younger American Jews.
It also suggests that the tens – perhaps hundreds – of millions of dollars Israel and its lobby are spending on shoring up that support has been a very poor investment.


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Oh, what a surprise a Fox News Report. Fox News is also reporting Trump won the midterms and they were a great success. There is a clear inability of Trump to face the truth while the media were doing their jobs trying to get Trump to address the facts.



Morrison's mistake: not one woman


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 This is what Andrew Bolt expects to get readers subscribing to the Herald Sun. Guess he's after an old white male demographic. Thought he had those sewn up.

RUSH CASE: A JUDGE ON TOUCHING MISS NORVILL

The judge's comment is .... interesting: "At first blush it is absolutely extraordinary in light of that intense preparation….that Mr Rush would intentionally touch Miss Norvill for his own sexual gratification.” Wendy Tuohy is worth reading on this case.

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There is a clear difference between Bolt and Ross Cameron of the Outsiders Bolt always seems to be advertising what it is he can't say. Amazing isn't it that he's the only commentator that keeps telling us he has so much more to say but can't. Why is that is it because it's his team that's being sued? How different would Bolt be if it was the ABC defending itself? How is it he's a lone wolf in the media that seems unable to speak? It's almost as if he's stuck for something to say when it comes to the truth and is lost for lies.
Nobody is calling Norvill a liar but some might believe in the folly of youth left to a furtive imagination. The dedication and concentration an actor of Rushe's calibre puts into any production and the roles he plays to draw an audience in makes it seem difficult to imagine he has time for anything else to be running through his head during a performance other than being in character. Let's face it the Daily Telegraph's euphamism on the title of the play suggested something quite perverse was occurring between actors which wasn't Shakespeare. Isn't that what the case is about The Daily Telegraph's reporting? Let's not forget"Telegraph published stories Rush had "behaved inappropriately" towards a (then as yet unnamed) fellow cast member in two stories and a newsagent poster, triggering this defamation action. She never spoke to the Daily Telegraph nor wanted the story out."



Thursday, 8 February 2018

Andrew Bolt's Blog,8/2/18; Jim Molan wasn't slimed the truth was; Bolt's business and News Corp's is invasion of privacy; Bandt is being threatened for raising claims to truth; Fake News Yes Bolt is the Authority; Human Rights in Australia what are they?









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Bolt's so-called 'reasoned debate' doesn't even begin to answer the question as to why the "butcher of Falluja attacked the Falluja hospital with coalition troops carrying their favored weapons Kalashnikovs. Why he insured a city of 50,000 people was put in siege and families bombed. Children in desparate need of medicine and treatment were disallowed it .
Why was Molan called "the butcher"? Andrew Bolt, seems to think it was that some form of Liberation indearment?  So accordingly to ask is a "sick" question.  In reality however the sick were in that hospital, women and children deprived of medical treatment and a city of 30-50,000 people intentionally trapped by Molan, locked in, and ordered to be bombed. Bolt declares the sickness is talking about it and 'unfair'  in the course of the debate. of course, he does.

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Recently sworn-in Liberal Senator Jim Molan, the architect of Operation Sovereign Borders, has a very questionable war record, writes Sarah Smith. 





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The real question here is why does Andrew Bolt feel the need to defend the media he when his wife so stridently attacked the media for reporting their son James worked for the IPA? Is this some sort of split in this family an secret embarrassment?
The nature of social mobility in the Bolt family has been known for years proving the old adage of 'it's who you know not what that's more important'. Bolt himself married his way up the social ladder having dropped out or failed Adelaide Uni he had little opportunity to do otherwise. Is this the well-kept secret in their family closet not revealed?
Until recently Bolt himself tried to convince us all he was educated at Adelaide Uni he wasn't and with all the bruhaha about Fake News it's now mysteriously disappeared but it still leaves the question wide open has Bolt or his son earned their positions on merit ladder?
 It's difficult for Bolt to argue for privacy given he is an avid News Corp media man who works for a company that certainly doesn't respect it.




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This issue is not just is not just a matter of fact Bolt would have no job if privacy was agreed upon today as it once was. He works for Rupert Murdoch whose organization is famous for bugging peoples lives. Murdoch has never earned the respectability he once had in the UK because of his invasion of privacy. Bolt's simply defending the morals of an organization that thrives on its invasion even in illegal ways, not just ethical ones





It seems to me Adam Bandt was merely repeating what was was already in print and not starting anything. As the saying goes " where there's smoke there's fire" Molan is a politician now and another old saying goes " if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" Bolt's post above this one openly declares Barnaby has no privacy so why does Molan. If he's threatening to sue shouldn't he be suing  Sarah?

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Recently sworn-in Liberal Senator Jim Molan, the architect of Operation Sovereign Borders, has a very questionable war record, writes Sarah Smith. 






Bolt doesn't deal in trends and when the heads of both the AFP and ASIO said there isn't a significant terrorist problem in Australia Bolt certainly spent an enormous amount of energy calling them conspirators to a lie. That's a fact and not Fake News. But like all liars trained in the Murdoch news culture Bolt flips it trying to suggest Duncan Lewis was suggesting a trend existed and was agreeing with him because three cases were refugees or children of refugees or if Bolt had his way refugees, children of refugees or children of children of refugees. Bolt seems to be desperately trying to struggle to make his point here almost as he does when he declares he's more indigenous that Australians of Aboriginal heritage.
Bolt really does equivocate as to who is or isn't an Australian a Refugee a Christian and more often and not just grabs identities and uses them for political bullshit. Sorry, Bolt the last two white men to hit the headlines for anger and terror against society happened to be very white Australians using cars as weapons of destruction. Just because they haven't been charged under the "terrorist act" doesn't make them pussycats. Just as the removal of Aboriginal children from their families are recorded as intervention doesn't mean they weren't Stolen and that recorded history which Bolt defends so much isn't Fake News

George Brandis takes a swipe at Peter Dutton and 'right wing politics' in farewell speech


 Senator Brandis delivers his final speech to the Senate.

He observed "powerful elements of right-wing politics" had abandoned the liberal tradition in favour of "a belligerent, intolerant populism which shows no respect for either the rights of individual citizens or the traditional institutions which protect them".
Senator Brandis did not name Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton in his speech, but delivered a pointed barb at Mr Dutton's recent disparaging of "un-Australian" lawyers and "weak" judges.

"I have not disguised my concern at attacks upon the institutions of the law - the courts and those who practice in them," he said. "To attack those institutions is to attack the rule of law itself."

Isn't Dutton and the conservatives with media support from News Corp  doing a Trump and undermining the fundamental institutions of Australia and not just our values?

 




A barista at a Grab-N-Go Bikini Hut espresso stand holds money as she waves to a customer in Everett, Washington.



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Isn't Bolt ahead of himself hear talking about Human Rights in a country that has no Bill of Rights under its constitution. So right or wrong the decision in the first instance is left up to those in power. Isn't that the reason the Indigenous of Australia is on the bottom of the social scale in this country if gauged on any social indicator. A further fact is people racists like Bolt blame them for their condition. Blame their visibility because they're black, their culture despite it being interfered with by whites.
Bolt seems to take pleasure on raising red flags on minority events in this and other countries as if they are central and changing trend in this country. He turns to the 2% of Sharia Law that provides advice on punishment in Islam as if it's the central core of Sharia while ready to verbally stone those that don't uphold his values particularly values of the extreme right. Bolt's values have been aired publicly and demand Christians and true believers fight back as he did in Carlton threatening and executing acts of GBH simply because he got away with it. Burqas aren't central to or even a part of Islam the judge may as well have demanded only people in suits be allowed in his court he has the power in Australia where there are no Human Rights when Bolt falsely claims there are.'Bikini baristas' in Washington are told to cover up – is it an issue of free speech?

Saturday, 26 March 2016

Andrew Bolt's Blog,26/3/16 Bolt wants Myers gone; What is required is a dog like Abbott and a firm disrespect for the Australian public; A threatened rift by Bernardi brings a spill closer; Eric Abetz should be charged; Christians rebeled even more Peter Lalor must have been Muslim; No Bill of rights no no trust; A Fascist move to to create a spill; New Corp vs journalism

 

Cooling on warmists’ reef alarmism

Bolt is a moron Karl Popper is apparently the High priest of science which Bolt declares is almost a religion. He'd have to call it a religion if he's to have us disbelieve in coral bleaching. oceanographers have found the worst damage ever recorded on the reef. Yes scientists have studied and recorded the progress of the bleaching. which Bolt denies. The man is an idiot scientists have not said all reefs were in the process of bleaching. However warming is an inevitable threat. Smoking causes lung cancer all smokers don't have cancer therefore according to Bolt thet's proof positive smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. No doubt he's happy if his lids smoke.

Great Barrier Reef: aerial survey reveals extent of coral bleaching

Great Barrier Reef bleaching worst I've seen: researche


More fronts than Myers

Bolt the traditionalist conservative has no respect for the Left and obviously none for Myers either. I guess he could also show that nobody throughout our history ever shot a person just because they were black either. History as written is Bolt's bible any confessions withstanding. Wages of Aboriginal stockmen weren't stolen. Women weren't raped because they black. It's such a shame that Indigenous Australians have been destroying themselves for the past 40,000 years.


 

 

 

 

Turnbull white-ants Morrison, who is writing the Budget meant to save him

The only white-anting going on has been by News Corp no one else. Bolt's dog Abbott is apparently  back in the race like Rudd. Rudd didn't even have a Bolt to egg the world on. Abbott doesn't even need the popularity of the crowd it would seem. He's got a corporation backing him along with mini mags like Quadrant and the Spectator  Oh yes and a firm disrespect for the Australian public.


 

 

 

 

Bernardi prepares the Australian Conservatives

" Senator Bernardi, who in ­September warned of a possible schism of the Liberal Party if Malcolm Turnbull did not uphold the party’s “distinctly conservative” character, yesterday described the Australian Conservatives as a program of his existing Conservative Leadership Foundation." Bernardi was not alone in advocating t his split Andrew Bolt was loudly standing by his side and egging him on. Let's wait and see because this seems yet another call to VOTE LABOR or vote for another spill


 

 

 

 

Bishop and the curse of Abbott. UPDATE: Sinodinos, too

" Eric Abetz, though, is a straight shooter and Turnbull made a big mistake to dump him. For one, Abetz has sound judgement. A pretty good profile of him, even though it appears in a Fairfax paper."

Abetz the straight shooter according  to Bolt. Not only did he protect Damian Mantach and wipe his slate clean of the theft of $50,000 from the TAS Liberal Party he recommended him as a top administrator of the Vic branch of the party allowing him to dud us of $1.5 mill. Yes  that's Bolt's straight shooter for you. He also said scientific research showed abortions caused cancer.

 

 

 


A “weak” Islamic State couldn’t kill this many of us

Bolt's opinion is not split leave the "p" out. Bolt actually believes  all violence  is Islamist and members of the Islamic state are all incarnations of Man Maron or Moron Monis . There have been mor crimes committed by the sons of Dutch migrants throughout our history than those committed by Islamists. However do you think for a second that Bolt would leave? How is it his hate for Islam and his sense of logic has no equivalence when it comes to Christians that pray before a crime.


 

 

The problem isn’t just the single men. Think of the children

Australia's promise to take 12,000 and has taken 30 when a country doesn't have a Bill of Human Rights it can do and say any thing and not be believed. We are that country. "The three Muslim terrorist attacks we’ve had here in the past 18 months" If 2out of 24 million is of statistical significance what % of  christian criminals does it take to throw all non indigenous people out and start again?




I suspect they need me

Where the media is concerned 99.9% of Australians have no effen idea who you are Bolt. The 0.10% and that's probably an overstatement could not have dreamt you up in their worst nightmare. Sleeping with Frankenstein's monster would be a comfort. The amusing thing is when you get to Sky you will still be alone. Enjoy you fantasy ratings. You will be the only one breaking the Liberal Party spill that's for sure.


 

Abbott: the case for my foreign policy

One of these me declares themselves to be a loyal government supporter it's not Andrew Bolt so who is it? One defends his support of Team Australia yet why does it sound like a declaration of war? Of these two me who would you want standing next to you in a fight because you certainly wouldn't either standing behind you. "If fewer journalists had pushed the insane Abbott-hatred, none of this would be remotely controversial or need defending:" Why is it that either of the two believe they need defending in what is regarded a one of the worlds best counties to live. Is it because they spend so much energy trying to change it, drag it in another direction? These two certainly think highly of themselves.